
The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies is proud to present The Aerospace Advantage, with Heather ”Lucky” Penney as the host. Every week, Lucky takes listeners into the world of aerospace power and help the audience understand what it takes to fly and fight in the sky, while also protecting America’s interests in space. Whether talking to top generals, standing on a flight line full of combat aircraft, looking at a rocket being prepared for launch, or hearing from those who have laid it all on the line in defense of the nation—this podcast will afford unprecedented access and insight into where the combat aerospace community is going and why.
Episodes

Saturday Apr 16, 2022
Episode 72 - Understanding How Adversaries Think: China and Russia in Space
Saturday Apr 16, 2022
Saturday Apr 16, 2022
Episode 72 – Understanding How Adversaries Think: China and Russia in Space
Episode Summary:
In Episode 72, Understanding How Adversaries Think: China and Russia in Space, Daniel Rice of the Mitchell Institute is joined by MI-SPACE Senior Fellow Christopher Stone, CASI Director Dr. Brendan Mulvaney, and Air University's Dr. Daniel Connelly to explore how the Chinese and Russian worldviews influence their approaches to operating and fighting in space. This comes down to a simple precept: deterrence happens in the mind of your adversaries. Crafting a better strategy comes down to understanding what your opponent values and how they approach conflict. Without this knowledge, it is difficult to interpret and predict what your adversaries will do. These lessons are especially important for space, a domain that is becoming increasingly contested.
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The views expressed by the guests in this interview are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the U.S. Air Force, the Department of Defense, or the U.S. government.
Credits:
Host: Daniel Rice, Research Analyst, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Daniel C. Rice
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Christopher Stone, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute Spacepower Advantage Center of Excellence (MI-SPACE)
Guest: Dr. Brendan Mulvaney, Director, The China Aerospace Studies Institute
Guest: Dr. Daniel Connolly, Assistant Professor, Air University Air Command and Staff College
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Saturday Apr 09, 2022
Episode 71 - Space as a Warfighting Domain: Discussion with Gen (ret) Kevin Chilton
Saturday Apr 09, 2022
Saturday Apr 09, 2022
Episode 71 – Space as a Warfighting Domain: Discussion with Gen (ret) Kevin Chilton
Episode Summary:
In Episode 71 of the Aerospace Advantage, Space as a Warfighting Domain: Discussion with Gen (ret) Kevin Chilton, host John "Slick" Baum speaks with Mitchell Institute’s Gen Kevin Chilton, USAF (ret) about the realities of modern military operations in space. While the U.S. did not instigate or favor turning space into a warfighting domain, our adversaries pressed in that direction. We must now respond. This means developing a range of terrestrial and space-based defensive and offensive options to deter and, if necessary, defeat attacks. We must also hold our adversaries' space capabilities at equal risk. This mirrors what we have in every other domain. We wouldn’t send planes, ships, or soldiers into harm’s way without the ability to defend themselves or attack an opposing force, but these are the realities facing America’s assets in space today. We will know when we are making progress in this area when we pursue operational concepts, strategies, and technologies that embrace both offensive and defensive capabilities, integrate space with the other warfighting domains to allow for combined combat actions, and train Guardians not just as technical experts, but warfighters. As an astronaut and past commander of Air Force Space Command and STRATCOM, Gen Chilton has particularly unique insights into these issues.
Credits:
Host: Lt Col (Ret.) John “Slick” Baum, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Daniel C. Rice
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Gen (Ret.) Kevin Chilton, Explorer Chair, The Mitchell Institute Spacepower Advantage Center of Excellence (MI-SPACE)
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Saturday Apr 02, 2022
Episode 70 - Ukraine Update and the FY23 DOD Budget Release: The Rendezvous
Saturday Apr 02, 2022
Saturday Apr 02, 2022
Episode 70 – Ukraine Update and the FY23 DOD Budget Release: The Rendezvous
Episode Summary:
In Episode 70 of the Aerospace Advantage podcast, Ukraine Update and the FY23 DOD Budget Release: The Rendezvous, The Mitchell Institute team gathers to discuss air and space topics that you’ve seen in the national security headlines. The conversation begins by discussing current trends we are observing with the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. The group then discusses initial take-aways from the FY23 budget submission that went to Congress this week. With the Air Force set to divest 150 aircraft, including a number of F-22s, and reduce the F-35 buy rate, there is much to discuss on this front.
Credits:
Host: Lt Col (Ret.) John “Slick” Baum, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Daniel C. Rice
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Lt Gen (Ret.) David Deptula, Dean, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Douglas Birkey, Executive Director, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: : Col (Ret.) Mark “Gonzo” Gunzinger, Director for Future Concepts and Capabilities Assessments, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Maj (Ret.) Heather Penney, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Lukas Atuenried, Senior Analyst, The Mitchell Institute Spacepower Advantage Center of Excellence
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Saturday Mar 26, 2022
Episode 69 - Brink of Nuclear War: Able Archers and Lessons for Today
Saturday Mar 26, 2022
Saturday Mar 26, 2022
Episode 69 – Brink of Nuclear War: Able Archers and Lessons for Today
Episode Summary:
In Episode 69 of the Aerospace Advantage podcast Brink of Nuclear War: Able Archers and Lessons for Today, host John "Slick" Baum is joined by former career Air Force intelligence officer and aerospace industry executive Brian Morra to discuss his new book The Able Archers and how the lessons he learned from his first-hand experience during Able Archer applies to Russia today. In 1983, following the NATO Able Archer military exercise and the Soviet shootdown of Korean Airlines flight 007, the US and Soviet Union were on the brink of nuclear war. The events were highly classified at the time, so little was known of the exact details. But, now, Brian has taken his first-hand experience as an intelligence officer in Japan along with newly declassified material, to tell us the story of The Able Archers and how the US and USSR avoided nuclear war. This story is incredibly relevant for today as the US and NATO face the threat of nuclear escalation by Russia in the Russia-Ukraine war.
Credits:
Host: Lt Col (Ret.) John “Slick” Baum, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Daniel C. Rice
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Brian Morra, Board Member at CAE USA and Author
Links:
You can buy The Able Archers book here.
Find out more about Brian Morra here: www.brianjmorra.com
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Saturday Mar 19, 2022
Episode 68 - Airpower Deaf and Blind: Connectivity Under Assault
Saturday Mar 19, 2022
Saturday Mar 19, 2022
Episode 68 – Airpower Deaf and Blind: Connectivity Under Assault
Episode Summary:
In episode 68 of the Aerospace Advantage podcast, Airpower Deaf and Blind: Connectivity Under Assault, host John “Slick” Baum, engages with Steve Trimble of Aviation Week and Space Technology and Heather Penney of the Mitchell Institute to discuss a fight over how we manage spectrum—the ecosystem where we communicate electronically. Exchanging information allows us to better understand the battlespace, team with various actors, seek zones to best net mission results, and avoid threats. If you don’t have a decision advantage, you’ll likely lose. That’s why there is so much emphasis on a concept known as joint all domain command and control, or JADC2 for short. It’s all about information advantage. But we’ve also had some wake-up calls suggesting that we need to be careful how we manage these sorts of capabilities—most recently, with the US military losing access to one of its most important networks—Link 16. It’s time for some serious thinking on this crucial topic.
Credits:
Host: Lt Col (Ret.) John “Slick” Baum, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Daniel C. Rice
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Heather “Lucky” Penney, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Steve Trimble, Defense Editor, Aviation Week Network
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Saturday Mar 12, 2022
Episode 67 - Ukraine and the Broader Implications: The Rendezvous
Saturday Mar 12, 2022
Saturday Mar 12, 2022
Episode 67 – Ukraine and the Broader Implications: The Rendezvous
Episode Summary:
In episode 67 of the Aerospace Advantage podcast, Ukraine and the Broader Implications: The Rendezvous, host John “Slick” Baum, engages with Mark Gunzinger, Heather Penney, Douglas Birkey, Lukas Autenried, and Daniel Rice of the Mitchell Institute team to better understand recent events surrounding Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The conversation covers a number of key topics, including why deterrence failed to dissuade Putin, balancing force requirements between Europe and the Pacific, implications for Space, China’s take on the conflict thus far, and how the U.S. similar conflicts in the future. We also dig into a number of hot-button issues like no-fly-zones, MiG-29 transfers, the performance of the Russian force, and what all of this should mean for the FY23 budget.
Credits:
Host: Lt Col (Ret.) John “Slick” Baum, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Daniel C. Rice
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Col (Ret.) Mark “Gonzo” Gunzinger, Director for Future Concepts and Capabilities Assessments, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Douglas Birkey, Executive Director, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Heather “Lucky” Penney, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Guest: Lukas Autenried, Senior Analyst, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies Spacepower Advantage Center of Excellence
Guest: Daniel Rice, Research Analyst, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
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Saturday Mar 05, 2022
Episode 66 - Hypersonic Strike: Have China and Russia Won the Race?
Saturday Mar 05, 2022
Saturday Mar 05, 2022
Episode 66 – Hypersonic Strike: Have China and Russia Won the Race?
Episode Summary:
In episode 66 of the Aerospace Advantage podcast, Hypersonic Strike: Have China and Russia Won the Race?, host John “Slick” Baum, engages with two leading experts, Dr. Mark Lewis and Dr. Dick Hallion, to learn more about this critical technology and next steps we need to take to operationalize it. The ability to fly at five at times the speed of sound is an absolute game-changer. However, flying this fast on an everyday basis is incredibly demanding from a technical perspective. The reason you’ve heard a lot about hypersonics lately is that we’re in a race with China and Russia to develop operational capabilities in this realm and we’re not at the head of the pack. Leaders are worried because if you think developing hypersonic technologies is tough, defending against them is even harder. The irony is that for decades, the U.S. was the leader in hypersonics thanks to its work with aircraft like the X-15. Since then, we’ve pursued a few test programs, but it really hasn’t been a priority for defense leaders. That’s all changed now that we find ourselves falling behind our adversaries. It’s caused a massive reset in the Department of Defense, with numerous surge efforts launched to help America regain its hypersonic edge.
Credits:
Host: Lt Col (Ret.) John “Slick” Baum, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Daniel C. Rice
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Dr. Richard Hallion, Aerospace expert
Guest: Dr. Mark Lewis, Executive Director, Emerging Technologies Institute, National Defense Industrial Association
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Saturday Feb 26, 2022
Episode 65 - When It Matters the Most: Combat Search and Rescue
Saturday Feb 26, 2022
Saturday Feb 26, 2022
Episode 65 – When It Matters the Most: Combat Search and Rescue
Episode Summary:
In episode 65 of the Aerospace Advantage podcast, When It Matters the Most: Combat Search and Rescue, host John “Slick” Baum, engages with 23rd Wing Commander Col Russ Cook to explore the team behind this critical mission set. Bottom line, when aircrews strap into their jets and fly into harm’s way, they face the very real chance of getting shot down, having to eject, and finding themselves deep behind enemy lines with nothing but some basics in their survival vest, a sidearm, and their training. They may be injured or face incredibly hostile physical conditions. Odds are that the enemy also knows they are down there and will be doing everything possible to capture them. In this episode, we learn about the combat search and rescue (CSAR) airmen who are trained and equipped to fly into harm’s way to retrieve downed airmen. This is one of the most difficult jobs in the Air Force. And just to be clear, this isn’t just a mission, it’s a moral imperative. CSAR crews have been run hard over the past three decades supporting combat operations in Desert Storm, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and other venues. They’re also at an inflection point regarding what their mission will look like in the future as they look to fly against peer threats in the Pacific and Europe.
Credits:
Host: Lt Col (Ret.) John “Slick” Baum, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Daniel C. Rice
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Col Russ Cook, 23rd Wing Commander, USAF
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Saturday Feb 19, 2022
Saturday Feb 19, 2022
Episode 64 – Russia, China, and the US Air Force Stretched Too Thin: We’ve Been Here Before… Lessons from Korea
Episode Summary:
In episode 64 of the Aerospace Advantage podcast, Russia, China, and the US Air Force Stretched Too Thin: We’ve Been Here Before... Lessons from Korea, host John “Slick” Baum, engages with Mitchell’s executive director Doug Birkey to discuss his latest report regarding the Air War over Korea and why the lessons from that conflict matter more than ever today. Often lost between WWII and Vietnam, the air war over Korea holds particular relevance for members of today’s Air Force as they seek to address a strikingly similar set of challenges—everything from a small, old aircraft inventory to factors like airbase availability and defense, logistics under attack, lack of training capacity, and disagreement with joint counterparts about how best to employ airpower. As Air Force General William Momeyer, a veteran of multiple conflicts including the Korean War, explained, “We mustn’t rely entirely upon yesterday’s ideas to fight tomorrow’s wars, after all, but I hope our airmen won’t pay the price in combat again for what some of us have already purchased.”
You can find Doug Birkey’s paper on the USAF in Korea here.
Credits:
Host: Lt Col (Ret.) John “Slick” Baum, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Daniel C. Rice
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Douglas Birkey, Executive Director, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
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Saturday Feb 12, 2022
Saturday Feb 12, 2022
Episode 63 – Affordable Mass: Precision Guided Munition Requirements for Great Power Conflict
Episode Summary:
In episode 63 of the Aerospace Advantage podcast Affordable Mass: Precision Guided Munition Requirements for Great Power Conflict, host John “Slick” Baum, Maj Gen Jason “Armo” Armagost of Air Force Global Strike Command and Mark “Gonzo” Gunzinger of the Mitchell Institute discuss the types of precision-guided munitions (PGMs) we’ll need for future conflicts. As much as we love to talk about aircraft, it’s important to recognize netting desired combat effects comes down to getting bombs on targets. Not all munitions are created equal—it’s all about netting the right balance of performance attributes and cost factors. This is especially true given that a modern major theater war could easily see over 100,000 aim points. While much of our munitions inventory remains highly effective, it’s also important to recognize that we need to diversify with new systems that are affordable, can survive amidst potent enemy defenses, and are optimized to harness the advantages afforded by fifth-generation aircraft carrying them into harm’s way.
You can find Mark Gunzinger’s paper Affordable Mass: The Need for a Cost-Effective PGM Mix for Great Power Conflict here.
Credits:
Host: Lt Col (Ret.) John “Slick” Baum, Senior Fellow, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
Producer: Daniel C. Rice
Executive Producer: Douglas Birkey
Guest: Maj Gen Jason “Armo” Armagost, Director of Strategic Plans, Programs and Requirements, Air Force Global Strike Command, USAF
Guest: Col (Ret.) Mark “Gonzo” Gunzinger, Director of Future Concepts and Capabilities Assessments, The Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies
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